So since SSJ3 Goku could hold his own for a good amout of time. Actually SSJ3 Goku in Fusion Reborn is a different Goku than canon. Sure Gohan easily whooped Super Buu while SSJ3 Goku had trouble with Kid Buu. When the people of a society agree that sacrificing a child is acceptable collateral damage then IMO it has become a society that's not worth saving. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about Goku, who is a mere mortal and there are a lot of ways to hurt a Saiyan. RELATED: Dragon Ball: 5 Things About Goku That Make Him Unique (& 5 Ways He's Generic). So Goku and Gotenks should be near equals for that matter. Since we never saw Vegito really try all that much except for one instance when he stopped Buu from breaking the dimensional barrier, we have no gauge to use except the evidence offered by the Kais. It is quiet stupid to say that vegeta was comparing kid buu with fat buu. Therefore, even if Toriyama said in the interview that Gohan was the strongest unfused character in DBZ, why the hell would he make him getting beaten-up, or make Goku to beat Buu..Maybe he thought Gohan is the strongest, but Goku is the best... through superior stamina, kid buu defeated goku. EntertainmentFan14 17:23, October 15, 2011 (UTC). Gotenks didn't had enough strength to defeat Super Buu, but didn't due to his childish nature and time limit of the fusion. GT is canon you fucking idiot. ^He was talking about Ultimate Gohan. By Movie 13 and 14, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks, who had previously been stronger than him. The only thing that can really stop Gohan is Toriyama. I'd say he may be stronger then Ultimate Gohan, but still Goku hadn't mastered SSJ3. So Ultimate Gohan is stronger then SS3 Goku. Strength isn't everything) We know either Buutenks or Buuhan could beat Goku, but what about the Super Buu that Gotenks faced? what? no he didnt. gotenks being on his level is absolutely astounding and amazing, especially at such a young age. Ultimate Gohan is definatly far stronger then SSJ3 Goku. If Goku had continued to train, yes, he would eventually have outpowered Gohan, but as in the end of Z we don't see how strong he's become in those 10 years, all we can do is speculate. could roshi beat raditz? 30 Stronger: Goku. As the hero of the story, Goku's main goal, besides saving the Earth and its inhabitants, is to find the strongest opponent he can and test his abilities. SSB Goku remains stronger than Gohan Gohan surpass and toys with SSB Goku but NOT UI Goku Gohan toys with SSB Goku, and surpasses UI Goku but NOT MUI Goku Gohan defeats MUI Goku Gohan toys with MUI Goku, thinks there is nothing special about it Goku and Gohan become exact equals. It's pretty simple, besides a FPSSJ3 or MSSJ3 to where it wouldn't drain his energy, would be more than enough for Ultimate Gohan. goku didnt NEED vegetas help or shenrons. Agreed. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. and Gotenks had a pretty rough time fighting him. YOU ABSOLUTE IMBECILE! And are you seriously arguing that Gotenks has more 'natural talent' than Goku?! By Nishid Motwani Oct 12, 2020. . It is quite obvious. She can manipulate energy, control it, absorb it, shoot it, and use it to power up. Oko500 14:23, September 14, 2012 (UTC) The title clearly says ssj2 vegeta vs ssj2 gohanK1lp1k0nna 14:42, September 14, 2012 (UTC)K1lp1k0nna So, no. Don't you think that if Gohan could slaughter Cell like he did that Kid Buu who was fighting a SSJ3 evenly would left a SSJ2 crippled or dismember one in a few attacks. goku ssj3 is stronger than ultimate gohan. GOKU!!! NEXT: Goku Vs. And btw none of these "traits" are powers. What i think is that Akira made a mistake here. But he’s also able to access different levels of power through going Super Saiyan; he doesn’t always have to operate at full power. (The finger flick did not beat him, just knocked him down.) Dark Phoenix: Who Would Win In A Fight? When we take a look at <270 episodes, we may think that gohan is stronger but afterwards, we can assume that goku is stronger. Goku wanted to fuse with Gohan to beat Buutenks and fuse with Vegeta to beat Buuhan. There aren't a ton of fictional characters who can stand up to Goku in Ultra Instinct form, but Marvel has a few that could make short work of him. That's just his lower half. I dont think Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. IMO Yes. Some people would say that he wants the next gen to fight Buu, well this was the case when Goku was dead and i totally agree. Mystic Gohan could've destroyed Super Buu, which is waaaaay more powerful than Fat Buu. 15:08, December 28, 2011 (UTC). Heck, he's stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, who's a lot stronger than SSj3 Goku. he faced the power of buu, and gotenks and piccolo combined. Then we have the newly formed Super Buu which is much stronger than Fat Buu. His question does make sense since Gotenks didn't have the fighting skills/instincts that Goku had, which is why Goku managed to hold his ground (figuratively) against buu (gotenks absorbed). Again, she isn't the strongest hand-to-hand combatant one would ever see but her other superpowers are more than enough to fight anyone. 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Goku also always uses his unique foresight that forces him to make certain decisions. there is no possible way for goku to ever beat gohan. What's for sure, Goku is stronger than Post-Rosat Gotenks who did evenly with Super Buu.174.94.74.35 00:03, March 14, 2013 (UTC)Not.from.here.guy. NomadMusikTalkFanon Wiki, I believe Ultimate Gohan is as strong as a ssj3 but would not be as strong as Goku was when he finished off Kid Buu. I thing it was vegeta or sayian saga that to use spirit bomb you need pure energy or at least a decent energy.Now gohan couldnt give his energy because to unlease the power of SSJ2 you need the feeling of wrath and with that feeling your energy is impure.And if you remember Gohan tell to the elder Kai how he could unleashe his power and he say do your Super Sayian trick. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3160-13/dragon-ball/chapter-511.html. Gohan does not. In the other world, ss3 is strongest because his energy consumption is a lot less rapid. I highly doubt that is true. Which gohan is more like his mother later on and just becomes normal human being pretty much, while goku is training to the extremewhile he is dead. In other words here's my idea of the power order Vegito>Super Buu with Gohan> Super Buu with Gotenks> Kid Buu>Mystic Gohan> Super Buu> SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu> SSJ2 Vegeta and so on. Goku trains constantly, so he’s able to continuously make himself stronger. goku is rarely wrong and if he is, that means theres some contributing factor. GOku said that him and vegeta cldnt beat super buu. Piccolo stated Gohan's ki is the strongest he as ever felt. wrong. When kid buu evolved for the first time, what did vegeta said?? As SSj3, he got a lot stronger, and was able to match Super Buu blow-for-blow. goku stated that he could PROBLY beat kid buu( my opinion the strongest buu cause vegeta said his power increased after piccolo, gohan, goten, trunks buu was released). And when did you actually see Super Buu fight hand to hand? Ultimate gohan could barley hold his own against super buu w/gotenks absorbed. he wants the next gen to take over. Dragon Ball Super Episode 90 Was Incredible!! . Goku again said " Darn U!!! It just makes no sense. hes a fighting genius in terms of creating powerful techniques like ghost kamikaze in just one week. So Goku's energy would run out a lot faster than Gohan's, leaving him very tired and a lot weaker. So this guy's question is invalid anyways. He achieved and fully mastered SSJ3 in one week. Gohan is not stronger than goku he cant go super saiyan anymore and goku goes ssj3 goku is stronger plus he loses ALOT of his strength during buu saga so goku is stronger Goku was wrong about how much energy it would take for him to hit his full power and he was most likely wrong about his full power being able to beat Kid Buu. for one, the massive MASSIVE gap between ssj2 gotenks and ssj2 goku, means the gap carries on to ssj3. This pretty much shows that Goku has no chance against Gohan. SSJ3 Gotenks (at least 3x stronger than Goku) defuse immediately after taking 1 hit from Hirudegarn, but not for Goku. well it wasnt. . http://www.mangareader.net/105-3156-12/dragon-ball/chapter-507.html, here goku is saying they have no possible way of taking on super buu, http://www.mangareader.net/105-3160-10/dragon-ball/chapter-511.html. "wrong. a stationary genki dama is pretty easy to push back. In light of the post attempting to prove SSJ3 Goku is superior to Mystic Gohan, I am going to briefly explain why Mystic Gohan is more powerful.The manga isn't even vague about this, so I've never really understood the argument to begin with. Tokeupdude 21:57, October 21, 2011 (UTC). Some say SSJ3 Goku is stronger. Anyways, Buu adds Gohan's power and  becomes even stronger than he was before. So clearly he could not. did you even read what you just said? SS3 Goku's ki > Ultimate Gohan's ki. She can do magic with her hands, of course, and she can also practice something called Chaos Magic; a superpower that she gained from the demon Chthon. Now one other notible thing is when Buutenks reverted to Piccolo Buu. he just took what he was given. no it doesnt. ssj gotenks x 7 = ssj2 gotenks. That means he must also relearn how to transform into a SSJ. Goku is Vegeta’s rival, however the same does not hold true in reverse. Alrighty guys it is Qaaman here today and in this video I argue one of the biggest elements in the dragon ball z series. During the Cell Saga, Gohan became the show's strongest hero, but slacked off on his training as he grew older. Then there's Vegeta that can only access ss2. And started doing the whole "mind games" trick. Super Buu is just as capable of destroying everything as Kid Buu is. 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